Session Start: Thu Feb 22 14:04:51 1996
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<Possum-> mm MoonSaber!
<Dara-w> mm Moon
<Dara-w> mm Yem
<Barbarian> mm Medea, Yemmie!!
<Possum-> mm Yemanja!
> mm all
> :)
> glad i could make it .. i'll sit 
quietly now
<MoonSaber> mm all ! :)
<Rayn> {{{{ windy }}}} Didnt see ya 
there lov
<Serpente> {{{{{{{ Yemanja }}}}}}} 
<Morgaine-> !!! mm all!!!
<windwolf> mm, all new!
<Barbarian> mm Morgaine-!
<Violet> mm MoonSaber, Medea, Yemmie, 
Morgaine!
* Yemanja *pounces* on slerpy
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<brmhilda> dam i am lagged
<brmhilda> spider what server are you 
on?
<brmhilda> yemmie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<SpiderWlf> brm, on blacksburg.va.us.unde
rnet.org
<MWolf> MM folks.
<brmhilda> ok brb
<windwolf> rayn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!
<Violet> mm MWolf
<MWolf> Wow, crowd over here...
<windwolf> hiya Yemmie!!! *hugs*
<SpiderWlf> rayn1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
* Lady_Wolf will sit in the corner and listen 
if that is ok.
<Rayn1> ok am I still lagged?
* Lady_Wolf is a shaman, and was interested 
in the shamanism lecture.
<Dara-w> mm Morgaine
<Rabbi> Bigtime split.
<SpiderWlf> sure lady, we are still waiting 
on one of the speakers to show up
<Possum-> dang net split
<windwolf> lady: don't they have a better 
term for women who practice shMANism?
<SpiderWlf> rayn 14 secs to me, but im 
lagged...
<Rayn> net split
* windwolf likes medicine women better 
herself..
<Rabbi> Some people see 'man' in everything. 
<g>
<MoonSaber> yup
<Lady_Wolf> the MAN is not relative to MEN .. 
it is simply the last sylable.  It came 
from a russian word.
<Medea> What's tonight's discussion, has it 
started yet?
<Possum-> rayn1: you are lagged to me...
<Dara-w> ok,.. don't know if this is 
better,.. mma all
<Rayn> windy how are you lov?
<SpiderWlf> eekk....im 100 secs to most 
people
<windwolf> brb..
<Lady_Wolf> I understand that in england they 
spell it Shaemen.
<Violet> spider: I'm on blacksburg too, am 
getting ridiculous ping responses
<Lady_Wolf> or even shamin
<Rabbi> Actually, it's mongolian in nature 
(or near there), not russian.
<Medea> What's the night's discussion?
<windwolf> very funny rabbi..*grin*
<Possum-> Medea: solitary and online 
rituals.. no it hasn't started yet.. still 
waiting for scire
<windwolf> rayn: i'm doing real well, how 
about yourself? *hugs*
<Rayn> solitary and cybr practices
<Medea> Oh great!
<Rabbi> There was a big debate on arcana 
about the origin of the word and who could 
use it.
<windwolf> grr, I'm lagged about the same 
spider
<Lady_Wolf> well .. as I told ms WWolf, I 
might as well sit in on this class, as 
Shamans are, by definition, solitary.
<Rayn> spider when I went to pathwving I got 
oped...whats up withtat chl?
<Dara-w> is anyone as lagged as I am????
<Barbarian> Is that what it was?
<Barbarian> How come I didn't get blown off?!
<Lady_Wolf> the only teachers we have are 
those who have crossed over.
<MoonSaber> everybody is lagged
<SpiderWlf> rayn, when you join an empty 
channel you get oped
<Dara-w> well, I'll have to try this again
<Rayn> oh ok...
<Possum-> LadyWolf, what tradition/culture 
shaman are you?
<brmhilda> This weeks Topic on #pathweaving 
is a Discussion of Solitary rituals and 
Cybr Rituals 2/21/96- 10 pm-EST
<brmhilda> well pagan standard time
<brmhilda> ok i just spoke with scire........
<SpiderWlf> k, this lag is getting better...
<brmhilda> scire will be here as soon as his 
provider will let him
<Rabbi> Well, don't tell that to american 
indian medicine men who chant and eat 
peyote in groups.
<Rayn> and
<Lady_Wolf> well that is kind of hard to 
define (isn't EVERYthing)
<Lady_Wolf> we are guided by the spirits.  If 
our diety had a name it would be LIFE.
<Rabbi> Seems pagan standard time is almost 
like Jewish wedding time.
<Drugar> mm all
<Violet> bbiam
<Medea> How can I save transcript, tonight's 
pathweaving.
<Possum-> Lady_Wolf, what I meant was, there 
are so many cultures that use shamans and 
shamanic practices, and I was just 
wondering which culture you followed...
<SpiderWlf> meada, im sure someone is logging 
it, and it may be posted on the web 
page....
<Possum-> rabbi: lol!
<Medea> Okay
<MoonSaber> oh good, lag is almost gone :)
<Possum-> mm drugar
<Serpente> are we still split?
<Lady_Wolf> the culture I most identify with 
is Native American, as that is where my 
roots are, but my teachings have come from 
half a dozen spirits from various 
cultures.  1 pre-mayan, 1 suni, another 
keltoi, an assyrian, and even a little 
german couple 
<brmhilda> geesh windy is 149 secs from me
<brmhilda> mma serpente
<Serpente> hey broom
<Possum-> Lady_Wolf: ah, I now I understand 
the context of some of your statements.. 
thank you
<MoonSaber> windy is only 75secs from me.
<brmhilda> well if anyone would love to teach 
on shaminsm our speaker dissapeared 
so........PLEASE!
<Lady_Wolf> our primary teaching concept on 
this side of the veil is through the 5 
totems.
<Serpente> I thought it was online rituals 
and solitary working
<Rayn> who was the speaker brm? Scire?
<MoonSaber> wow 466 secs from mythslayr
<brmhilda> not now but at a later time :)
<Possum-> I practice a more Anglo shamanism, 
in my Wiccan context
<Rabbi> I should give coranth griffen a call 
for a shamanistic lecture. 
<Lady_Wolf> I wish Lord Bear were here, he is 
much more at ease on the keyboard than I, 
and has been a shaman about 25 years 
(twice my time)
<brmhilda> no for the shaminism class
<brmhilda> dara is not back?????
* brmhilda was made sumoner of her coven 
today :)
<Serpente> how is shamanism practice in a 
modern western world, when the traditional 
shaman was an integral part of the 
culture?  (just throwing that out)
<Possum-> brm: you have my congrats and my 
sympathy, <grin>
<Barbarian> brmhilda:  Congrats!  :)
<brmhilda> possum hahahaha thanks :)
<Lady_Wolf> well, serpente, I would say that 
the first thing we should do is define 
Shaman.
<Possum-> Serpente: just because the culture 
is modern, doesn't mean that I'm not a 
part of it, <grin>
<Serpente> good start, what is shamanism and 
who is a shaman?
<SpiderWlf> dara!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
<Dara-w> mma all,...*whew*
<Lady_Wolf> my spirit guides have taught me 
that in essence a TRUE shaman is his own 
teacher, but has guides on the other side 
of the veil.
<Dara-w> many thanks Brmie
<Rayn> is Dara doing the lecture tonight?
<SpiderWlf> scire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
<Scire> mm folx
<Rayn> Scire!!!!!!!
<MoonSaber> mm scire!!! :)
<brmhilda> mm scire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<Serpente> what is the shamans role in 
society if any?
<Barbarian> Yeaa!  Scire's here!  mm!
<Possum-> I would say that shamanism is a 
style of practice, that involves a great 
deal of "other world" work.. trances, 
journies, etc...
<Lady_Wolf> The Shaman sees the world as 
essentially a result of the active spirits 
in the world.
<MoonSaber> full house tonight :)
<Serpente> greetings Scire
<Rabbi> It's time. I'm recording.
<Possum-> mm Scire!
<Rayn> can we do the original topic now?
<Scire> *gasp* *pant* *pant* Sorry I'm late
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<brmhilda> be patients kids :)
-> *scire* *mwah*
<Serpente> Scire you're not geeky enough
<Dara-w> Lady_Wolf: there are truths to your 
words
<Lady_Wolf> rocks have spirits, trees have 
spirits ... even the air itself is alive 
with spirits.
<Rayn> Brm I didnt mean it that way, I ment 
instead of the shaman topic lov  {{{{ BRMY 
}}}}
*Scire* *mwah*!!!!!
<brmhilda> ahh i know :)
<Rayn> :-)
<brmhilda> but this is good stuff too
<Rabbi> "there is not a blade of grass the 
grows without an angel above saying to it, 
grow."
<Dara-w> re Violet
<Rabbi> From the Talmud.
<MoonSaber> <-don't know alot about shamnism, 
and is very interested.
<Dara-w> Lady_Wolf: of what origin is the 
Shamatic path you are on?
* Lady_Wolf was out in the Tall Mud today, 
rabbi, digging her herb garden.
<Lady_Wolf> sorry for the pun, I still have 
to clean my boots off.
<Scire> Serpente: Geeky enough for what?
<brmhilda> ok seems i will be playing ping 
pong all night *sigh*
<Rayn> pong your turn brm
<Scire> Oh, fabulous... I'm lagged *pout*
<brmhilda> scire me too :(
<brmhilda> must be vancouver
<MoonSaber> theses severs really suck!
<Scire> *nod* brm
<Rayn> try blacksburg brm
<Rabbi> I'm in the midst of writing a book on 
spirits and the spiritual dimensions in 
Judiasm.
<brmhilda> ok i am switching servers brb
<SpiderWlf> *nod* im on blacksburg...
<Rabbi> Judaism
<Violet> I'm on blacksburg and in blacksburg 
:)
<Lady_Wolf> Dara .. I believe they are trying 
to get the regular topic back on here.  I 
will be more than glad to talk after class 
if you wish.
<MoonSaber> maybe everybody should...
<joyous> rabbi can you tell us about the 
goddes name in the philatellic patterns?
<Lady_Wolf> I am not trying to cut you off, 
dear, just trying to help keep the flow 
going.
<Rabbi> goddess name in what? huh?
<joyous> nvrmind- shamanism...
<Dara-w> ok,.. seriously lagged here,..just 
wanted to jump in with a quick question to 
you Lady
<Serp> re?
<Rayn> oh I hope the get back on
<SpiderWlf> re serp
<Dara-w> re serp
<Serp> woah bad lag
* wind^away can give half a lecture...:)
<SpiderWlf> theyll be back on soon..just 
switching servers...
<MoonSaber> brb
<Serpente> So we have Tree Angels and Rock 
Angels or do they not speciallize quite 
so?  :)
<Serpente> oh god Im lost in lag
<Dara-w> there is no good server tonight :(
<Violet> re serp
<Rayn> Spidey I asked brm to log for me cause 
I need to get to bed soon, could you 
remind her for me if I have to leave?
<Serp> haha
<SpiderWlf> sure rayn
<Rayn> oh ya gotta love that moon
<Rabbi> Specialized all the way on down to 
indevidual blades of grass (in Judaism).
<Rayn> hahahaha
<Lady_Wolf> This is the first time I have 
really been on here.  What is LAG.
<Possum-> davis seems to be doing ok...
<Serpente> fascinating Rabbi
<Mistletoe> am I too late?
<Dara-w> the amt of time it takes your words 
to get to everyone else
<Serpente> that makes Judaism sound very 
pantheistic
<SpiderWlf> scire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
<Rayn> wow scire that was fast
<Scire> I can't find another server :(
* Dara-w 's own ez explaination of lag
<SpiderWlf> brm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!
<Rabbi> Nope, when you look at where the 
angels come from, then it's totally 
monotheistic.
<Serpente> vancouver bc ca worked for me
<Dara-w> scire don't feel bad,.. me either
<Dara-w> re Brm
<SpiderWlf> scire, 3 secs to me
<Rayn> okeydokey, the gangs all here
<Serpente> right... infinite divisions of the 
one
<Mistletoe> is it over?
<brmhilda> oh yayayayaya
<MoonSaber> much better
<Rayn> no mistle
<joyous> leave * blessings are
<Rayn> we are on PST
<Scire> *shrug* I'll stay here on Vancouver
<Barbarian> Mistletoe:  hasn't even started.
<Mistletoe> oh goodie
<brmhilda> lowell.ma is good scire
<Rabbi> give or take. but how can you divide 
infinity into a finite number?
<Rayn> I need to get a good list of servers
* Wseeker does as well
<Rayn> who is doing the lecture tonight?
* brmhilda hugglesmiggles yemmie
<Rayn> Scire I cant wait for the next mag...I 
am soo happy now
* Barbarian generally does server roulette.. 
:)
<Possum-> davis.ca.us.undernet.org
* Rabbi hugglesmiggles the Rebbitzen. :>
<Serpente> Rabbi so the concept is not that 
of division? 
<Serpente> I keep thinking of One/Two/Four/ 
infinitly dividing on and on and on
<brmhilda> ooooooooooooooo number stuff
* brmhilda pays rapt attention
* Rayn thinks she needs to get some rest. 
Dont forget to log brm ok....
<Serpente> whoo yeah numbers!
<Rayn> mp ppl.........sleep well tonight
<Dara-w> mp Rayn
<MoonSaber> if you divide the same infinty 
number, you always get one...
<Barbarian> MP Rayn
<Violet> mp rayn
<Serpente> is this bold to you guys?
<Rabbi> The entire idea of an infinite God 
and his relationship with a finite 
universe is long, complex and not the 
subject tonight. Ask me later or tomorow.
<Serpente> or just funny looking
<Mistletoe> Serpente: yes
<brmhilda> i want to make squares
<Serpente> thans mistle
<brmhilda> serpente how are you doing that???
* Serpente has a new toy
<Dara-w> Serp: to both questions,.. yep,.. :)
<Violet> mm galahad
<Dara-w> mm Good Sir Galahad
* brmhilda wants toys
<Mistletoe> mm galahad
<Serpente> haha sure 
<MoonSaber> so who is doing what and when?
<Galahad> MM all
<Serpente> bold italic underline
<Rabbi> His/Her/it, whatever (how do you put 
a gender limitation on infinity) - Just 
heading off a potential 'He' point. :>
<Serpente> kewl!
* Galahad wonders what kinda toys Brmmie 
wants?
* Possum- wants a brain
<Violet> serpente: it's just got three blocks 
on each side, here :/
* brmhilda begs serpente to send her new toy 
pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaase!
<Serpente> ok brmie hold on
<brmhilda> galahad hehehehe
<Dara-w> Possum: isn't that the scarecrow 
that wanted that??
<Barbarian> mm galahad
<Rabbi> Scire: The Rebbitzen is waiting 
patiently for the lecture. (the baby in 
the belly isn't so patient :> )
<Galahad> mm Barbarian
<Possum-> dara: possums want it too.. when we 
spare one of our two brain cells to think 
of it.. <grin>
<Barbarian> Rabbi: lol!
<Scire> I'm ready whenever we can start.
<Rabbi> So lets hit it. I'm set to record.
<Possum-> Scire: I'm all ears (and pouch)
<Rabbi> Log on.
<brmhilda> ok we shall start with cybr rits 
then
* Nadal pages mr shalifi
<Medea> Oh no, It took me so long to get on.  
And I'm always in school when pathweaving 
is on, I finally made it and my husband 
says he needs the phone. NOOO>
<Scire> I guess I'll start by telling you a 
bit about how I got started in this cybr 
rite thing...
* Galahad is glad he has 3 phone lines
<Scire> About Spring Equinox of last year I 
encountered online ritual here on 
#wicca...
<Scire> One of the regulars on the channel at 
that time (no longer on IRC, unfortunately)
 approached me, asking if we were going to 
have a ritual for the holiday.
<Scire> My initial reaction was to wonder how 
this person thought all these people, all 
over the globe were going to get together 
on such short notice... I thought she'd 
lost her marbles...
<Scire> It turns out that what she was 
referring to was online ritual... Until 
this time I had never heard of such a 
thing.
<Scire> She told me of an online rite that 
she had attended for a Full Moon that was 
Priestessed by Margot Adler (on AOL I 
think), and sent me a copy of the rite.
Session Close: Thu Feb 22 15:03:13 1996