Session Start: Sat Feb 03 16:56:44 1996 -_Strider- Thanx for stoppin by, hope to see you again soon... And Rituals and Spells by Migene Gonzalez Wippler. most of her books are incorrect.. but these are good for beginners. are the orisha's similar in hierarchy to the roman/greek goddess system? They are available from Original Publications, 2486-88 Webster Avenue, Bronx, New York, 10458. And ask for the book catalog. Hmmm.. yes and no.. God in the general view is considered to be Olodumare and the Orishas are a fragment of god that interacts with humans. As far as the rank on the individual Orishas, Obatala is the first and eldest and he is ranked first. thanks SS; which book do you recommend? the Rituals & Spells sounds cool. In some areas, like with the religion of Ifa dedicated to the Orisha Orunmila, he is considered to be the oldest Orisha. All of the books are good for basic information and also some books by John Mason. But I am not sure which books by Mason are in print. You will have to write and find out. The address is: Yoruba Theological Archministy, 488 Putnam Avenue, Brooklyn, NY 11221. Oshun, are you an Orisha prietess? > SiftSeas please forgive my late attendance.. Alafia, Oshun.. > I wish to ask about yemanja iamanja yemalla and her sista ochun oshun... i understand yemanja has 10 aspects.. could you explain please Explain what an aspect is? > yes i am sorry that was unclear.. explain what the 10 aspects are.. if you can.. brieflly The Orishas have many paths. These are called caminos or aspects. All of these combined together make the Orisha as a whole. Such as Yemaya. I am not familiar with all aspects of Yemaya... but some I do know about. > i would appreciate hearing of what you know.. thank you Such as Yemaya Asesun who is the spring that lies under the ground and comes forth to the surface. Yemaya Kolona is the waves on top of the ocean and the foam that travels the seas. And there is a path of Yemaya called Acuaro that is associated with Ochun and this is the path that lives where the Ocean waters meet the waters of the River, Ochun. Are you a child of Yemaya? > i believe so... She is a wonderful and loving Orisha. > i would also like to ask if you know of the differences between the various orisha traditions > yes.. i respect and admire her she is to me what i wish to aspire to If anyone else would like to ask questions of SwiftSeas, msg me for your turn to voice > Yemaya you speak of.. i understand that Yemalla and Yemanja are shall we say "offsprings" yemanja being a brazillian derivitive of iamanja The differences are mainly in regards to the ceremonies and initiations. Actually, they are all different names for the same Orisha in general. Yemaya's true name is Yemonja in Nigeria, West Africa. > Thank you SwiftSeas I appreciate your time and your wisdom in answering my questions.. i hope to see you again at another time :) Feel free to look for me on IRC anytime. any other questions at this time? or shall we open the discussion now? > thankyou SwiftSea i shall > Alafia :) the channel is now open for discussion, enjoy OYA > thankyou cybrwitch for arranging this.. i am sorri i missed the talk cybr can send you a log.. Oh, Thank SwiftSeas!!! yes, I will send logs to all who request them. > yes i appreciate it.. :) I will add you to the list right now. > beowulf did you learn much from the discussion? > mystaro? > susan? I came in near the end so will read the log. > oh that is a shame beowulf.. i arrived late too unfortunately..i would appreciate a log Cybrwitch > oh dear we all have.. :( thanks ahead for the trouble I think the idea of using irc for lectures is a good one. > yes beowulf it is a great way to learn. and share knowledge.. agreed > i have looked on the net and only found OrishaNet for reference... We would like to plan for SwiftySeas to do one lecture per month I also want to point out that cybr created the #Voudon channel to discuss various African religions. and I am also working to recruit other speakers for various topics > yes that would be great cybr.. and get some other ppl informed :) If any of you would be interested in speaking on a specific topic let me know and we will arrange for it. Oshun, there is an Orisha religion internet mailing list, if you are interested.. I will give you the address to ask for info. > that would be wonderful thankyou... i was unaware of that.. > would the others like the http for OrishaNet? > or do you have it handy SwiftSeas? The address to the mailing list is: Orishalist@aol.com and ask for info. > thankyou i shall... It is a serious Orisha religions discussion with many initiated priests on the mailing list. I have found it to be a good resource. > yes i could see why. > the http i have is: > http://www.seanet.com/Users/efunmoyiwa/welcome.html > it has some basic information regarding the Orisha's and traditions > also some tips on caring for your necklaces and pronounciation of various words etc... > as well as other facets.. The author philip Neimark has also set up a page but I don't have the url handy. > oh that would be wonderful.. if you could forward it to cybrwitch and she could let us know.. Session Close: Sat Feb 03 17:25:54 1996 Session Start: Sat Feb 03 17:26:39 1996 > i was thrown out :( I think it was a server problem.. > yes it was :) excuse me, gotta go to another window for a minute Good n ight. *** Beowulf` (beowulf@netcom.netcom.com) has left #oya Oshun, are you involved in the religion? -> *cybrWitch* eek wot do i say!!!!!!!!!!!! she just asked me if i was involved in the religion > as much as i can be from australia .. yes > do you know of others in australia? I am sure there are initiates in australia.. the religion is spreading.. > swiftseas: i have met many from america, brazil and afrika that are involved.. but only on the internet... > as my nick usually draws questions :) > which is good i believe as it exposes even more ppl to the religion.. I can imagine that people who know, recognize the name instantly. > yes they do.. and those that don't will always ask of it's origin.. > erm.. Yemanja that is > ahhhhhhh at home again :) Good way to meet people! ;-) > well :) yes.. and a good way to get ppl informed of other paths they may have not contemplated b4 or are seeking > :) I just like to meet other people period. > hehehe yes a great communicator is the net.. and a welcome bringing together (well it should be) of all ppls > do you know of macumba? (not the dance) :) the group... I only have info from 2 books. other than that.. I am not very knowledgeable about Macumba. > nod.. > Quimbanda? I mainly focus on Santeria from the North America perspective. Hmmm that's the dark side opposite of Umbanda in Brazil. > yes it is.. exu If I haven't mistaken, they work with Exu and the spirits of the dead. But as far as actual practices, I have no idea. > apparently the rites are celebrated in great secrecy.. nod I can see why.. No good comes out of Quimbanda. > i have no other knowledge regarding this.. and find the yoruban tradition better :) Yoruba is the source. > they refer to yemanja as yemalla and all her attributes are positive.. > i however have not enuff information regarding her aspects .. Actually, Yemalla is the Cuban spelling of the name.. > misinformed again :) > *ponder* ll a letter in the Spanish language similar to y in english. > creusa a friend of my son has been able to give me a lot of information and direction.. she is from brazil In Africa, Yemaya is Yemonja.. and in Brazil she is called Iemanja.. but it is all the same Orisha. Session Close: Sat Feb 03 17:46:32 1996